Phillies Richie Ashburn vs. Odubel Herrera

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Herrera Can’t Run Away from His Reputation. Photo by Dylan Buell/Getty Images.
Herrera Can’t Run Away from His Reputation. Photo by Dylan Buell/Getty Images. /

Although the whiz kid was from another era of baseball, he would definitely have an opinion on the actions of the current defender for the Philadelphia Phillies at his previous position; however, many also have strong views on both sides of this debate.

Now and Then:

With almost everything, opinionated people – ergo, everybody – voice their beliefs based on their experiences, which differ from generations past.

Since the two center fielders do not have comparable numbers, this article covers only on-field actions. And, obviously, those occurred during different times. Ergo, worlds apart.

While the manager, coaches and players have talked to Odubel Herrera, he hasn’t turned into Derek Jeter yet. Basically, today’s regulars do many things differently than Mike Schmidt and John Kruk. In fact, the glory days of those current broadcasters were a far cry from the squads with Richie Ashburn in the 1950s. On the other hand, being a hot dog is nothing new: The popular Willie Montanez was one in the early 1970s. The Phils acquired Garry Maddox for “Willie the Phillie” Montanez.

Long ago, stars were only with one organization, but for most players trading was the usual route to another club. Hating the competition was normal: Fraternization didn’t exist. And pitchers enforced frowned-upon behavior with a fastball to the offender’s ribs. In other words, bat flips and admiring a homer never happened because nothing that blatant took place. But breaking other unwritten rules elicited punishment; for instance, hurlers didn’t miss someone crowding the plate, and the only thing flipped was the hitter.

While the game has changed over the years, celebrating long balls, big hits, difficult saves and walk-off victories now has a pronounced part in baseball. Today, players are doing things old-timers didn’t even dream of. And many in 2017 consider it entertaining.

Since this conversation can only happen fictionally, Ashburn tells Herrera a thing or two through his interpreter. In my day – Ashburn states – when Bob Gibson was on the mound, you didn’t run across it to return to the dugout. First, he glared at you: That boy wants a bow tie! And the next time you faced him, he gave you something up and in so close you felt a breeze when it went by. Back then, nobody flipped a bat if they wanted to have a professional career.

IN OTHER WORDS:     “After fifteen years of facing them (pitchers) you don’t really get over them. They’re devious. They’re the only players in the game allowed to cheat. They throw illegal pitches and they sneak foreign substances on the ball. They can inflict pain whenever they wish. And, they’re the only ones on the diamond who have high ground. That’s symbolic. You know what they tell you in a war – ‘take the high ground first.'” – Whitey Ashburn

If you use your imagination, Jimmy Rollins through the interpreter offers Herrera some advice. Charlie Manuel had two rules: Hustle and be on time. And benchings for breaking them. Listen up! Expect fans to ride you for every little thing.

Some Fans and Writers Tend To Highlight the Negative and Minimize the Positive with Their Take on Herrera. Photo by Mike Ehrmann/Getty Images.
Some Fans and Writers Tend To Highlight the Negative and Minimize the Positive with Their Take on Herrera. Photo by Mike Ehrmann/Getty Images. /

Off the top of their head, locals can name others who manned center field. They remember Maddox for his defending excellence and Shane Victorino for his postseason heroics. Of course, the 1980 champion followed the norms of his time. But while Victorino was Rollins-nicknamed shadow, the animated middle outfielder didn’t break those two rules like J-Roll. And more than once apiece!

NICE CATCH:     “Two-thirds of the Earth is covered by water. The other third is covered by Garry Maddox.” – Ralph M. Kiner

For those who want to bench, demote or move Herrera for any infraction, they could learn from the Flyin Hawaiian. He was a Rule 5 pick twice, and the Philadelphia Phillies were the second franchise to offer him back to the Los Angeles Dodgers. However, they said keep him because he didn’t make the changes they wanted. For instance, Tommy Lasorda asked him if he was a home-run hitter, and he said no. So, why are you hitting the ball in the air? Eventually, though, Victorino was a Triple-A star, got a ring, and made the Dodgers regret their decision.

Competing with Willie Mays and Stan Musial, Ashburn won two batting titles. The center fielder had his number retired, Ashburn Alley named after him, and has a statue at the Bank to commemorate his greatness. He was also a beloved broadcaster others are unable to match. And, so, it’s no coincidence he and another all-time favorite had their Cooperstown inductions on the same day: Ashburn and Schmidt were the quintessential leadoff man and the home-run king respectively.

Third Season Stats:

  • Ashburn in 1950: .303 with a K% of 4.8 percent and a BB% of 9.4 percent.
  • Herrera in 2017: .276 with a K% of 23.3 percent and a BB% of 5.7 percent.
  • This article is not a comparison for statistical purposes.

Stats are through July 29.

According to Fangraphs, low walk rates are only acceptable for players with exceptional power numbers. Here are plate-discipline comparisons.

RatingK%BB%
Excellent10.0%15.0%
Great12.5%12.5%
Above Average16.0%10.0%
Average20.0%8.0%
Below Average22.0%7.0%
Poor25.0%5.5%
Awful27.5%4.0%

Next: Phillies’ Test: Before and After Results

As for Herrera, he’s a combination of Montanez, Victorino and Rollins. He’s more of a hot dog than Willie the Phillie. initially a more successful Rule 5 selection than Victorino and more controversial than J-Roll. He’s them amplified!

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